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  Tony Adams - having a bible study?

  by digderidoo in

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  i've heard tony adams (ex footballer) is having a bible study.. can anyone confirm this?

  has he been seen at meetings?.

  paul.

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  How did you hear that, digderidoo? PM me if you want.
  
  I respected his attitude to the game and he seems a nice bloke.
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  Deep Question

  by THE_CHOSEN_ONE in

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  jesus with his sacrifed dead fulifies jehovah's plan and destroys satan 's plan.why satan has permit izraelis to kill jesus, for example if i have been on satan 's place i will do this the izraelis ponti pilat the rome soldiers who were whipped and impaled jesus were under my command i will simple order them to bow to jesus and on roman senat i will order to make jesus roman empire king instead cezar and with that satan will outwitted jehova or tricked jehova 's plan.

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  This is actually something that I wondered about when I was a Witness. Unless Satan was incredibly stupid, he would have realised he was playing into Jehovah's hands.
  
  Ah well. I guess delusions of grandeur tend to stop you thinking clearly. Never mind Satan, old chap - at least you've got a good while left to play as Armageddon doesn't seem to be coming any time soon.
  
  LOL @ Sunday Hereos!
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  Jesus taught us how to be effective APOSTATES

  by Terry in

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  why would it be any different for christians today?.

  in early christianity the strongest and most notable feature of faith was seen in the following behavior.. .

  1.jesus constantly argued, questioned and debated with authorities of his own religion'.

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  IF JESUS COULD QUESTION and DEBATE with the authorities set in place by JEHOVAH; why shouldn't a follower of Jesus imitate his behavior and attitude today?

  Possible JW answer: Because he does not have the authority from his heavenly father, Jehovah, that Jesus did. Hence, he should humbly submit to the channel that God is using today.
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  What Circumstances Cause Some to Decide to Fade or Disassociate ?

  by flipper in

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  this morning in seeing another poster going through this particular dilemma , i thought it would be good to open it up to open discussion to see what various situations occur in our lives that make us come to the decision to fade / or disassociate ?

  everybody has different circumstances in their lives - so one size certainly doesn't fit all .

  everybody has there pressure points in life they can deal with - some cannot.

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  During the time I spent researching, there was a period of around three days when I felt disassociating was the right thing to do. I had gotten baptised into something that I subsequently regarded as disgusting and harmful, and I'm the type of person who likes to tie up loose ends. I was (and still am, in some ways) close to my immediate JW family members, so that was a very stressul time as I knew the likely result.

  But then I came around to thinking that, actually, this tin pot apocalyptic cult's paperwork doesn't actually mean jack, and that if I'm still down as a member what difference does it actually make to anything apart from those relationships? So I decided to take the course of less damage and not disassociate. My exit wasn't a normal fade; my meeting attendance actually went from fully regular to non-existant between one meeting and the next. And I was relatively open about my doubts with elders. But they didn't come after me, as it were. I'm now away from the locality and the control.

  It hurts me very much to think of how the ones that meant the most to me might shun me (not sure about this) if I was announced as being "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses", but I also know why they have their blind spots. I would have been the same.

  Black Swan, Thom Yorke

  What will grow crooked, you can't make straight
  It's the price that you gotta pay
  Do yourself a favour and pack your bags
  Buy a ticket and get on the train
  Buy a ticket and get on the train
  
  Cause this is fucked up, fucked up
  Cause this is fucked up, fucked up
  
  People get crushed like biscuit crumbs
  And lay down in the bitumen
  You have tried your best to please everyone
  But it just isn't happenin'
  No, it just isn't happenin'
  
  And that is fucked up, fucked up
  And this is fucked up, fucked up
  This your blind spot, blind spot
  It should be obvious, but it's not.
  
  You cannot kickstart a dead horse
  You just crush yourself and walk away
  I don't care what the future holds
  'Cause I'm right in your arms today
  With your fingers you can touch me
  
  I am your black swan, black swan
  But I made it to the top, but I made it to the top
  And this is fucked up, fucked up
  
  You are fucked up, fucked up
  This is fucked up, fucked up
  
  We are black swans, black swans
  I'm for spare parts, broken up
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  Well I'm Out!!!!

  by ImFreeatlast in

  1. jw
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  it took a long time, but i can finally say i'm out and i took my family with me.. this is my first post but i have been reading here for a while.

  i was brought up a witness, in a family that was very 'strong' (or so everyone thought).

  i didnt have a relationship with my perents at all other than the 'family study'.

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  Excellent news! That sounds like a very tricky job very well done.

  The biggest piece of advice i can give is not to say you dont believe it but to say I dont understand it, that way they dont clam up and shut themselves in the 'its from the governing body mode'.

  That's something I only really came to appreciate after I'd already been honest with my family. As soon as you start to directly attack you're triggering an awfully big mental blockade. I regret that I could have been more clever in helping them to think, but I'm not married and the main thing was that I sorted myself out.

  All the best with your relatively new freedom.
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  What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?

  by Malkiel in

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  2. experiences

  i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.

  right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

  barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

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  Malkiel,
  
  Just a quick note to say I respect you for still being here and continuing to post your responses in this thread you started. I think there were some comments earlier to the effect that having discussion with you is pointless as you are likely to disappear, but you should feel free to respond as you see fit, taking your time. I guess some have spent time which they naturally see as wasted with other people who never got back to them. Glad to see you're still here.
  
  And don't forget that book! :)
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  WHAT MADE YOU LEAVE? Doctrine or people?

  by chuckyy in

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  2. experiences

  hi.. just wondering what made you take the final leap out of the org?

  was it doctrinal in that certain things just didnt add up or was it because of the actions of people in the org.

  that made you leave?

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  Doctrine.

  I got to a point in my life where I needed to know for sure one way or the other. Did research on the bible (mainly OT). Nuff said.
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  Anyone else called an apostate for knowing the new info early?

  by bronzefist in

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  i was called an apostate because i knew the "new arrangement" before it was announced.

  this is so funny because this change directly affects how the local elders were screwing me over.

  pm me if you're interested in details.. brzfst.

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  Me? I'm just going to claim I got the info from a certain elder I used to know.

  LOL!
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  What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?

  by Malkiel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.

  right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

  barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

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  Hence, confirmation bias.

  Malkiel - I would like to know what you think of the book I recommended if you read it. Please let me know. Thanks.

  All the best.
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  Am I the only one bored with all the "Changes to The BS" discussions?

  by Princess Daisy Boo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i mean seriously friends... what difference does this announcement make to the grand scheme of things?.

  yes, it may be a huge change to the way they do things, but what effect will it really have?.

  it is not like we can use it against them to prove that they are not a ucked fup horrible mind controlling cult.

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  How can anyone say this isn't a major change? For how long have JW's had meetings every other day of the working week? And for those of us with families still in, it's very important as it directly affects them and their indoctrination. As for boredom, If you don't want to read about it don't click the threads.
  
  By the way, this isn't the first thread about being bored with the BS topics either. :P